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====== Nora's grandchildren - Hobbs, Hickson, Murray-Prior ======
Only 3 of Nora's 8 children married and had children. As well, she stood as grandchildren to her stepchildren's children, with Rosa Praed's children all calling her "Grandmama Nora" ((Rosa Praed to Ethel Butler, 1 January 1914 p.2 in Rosa Praed Papers, John Oxley Library, State Library of Queensland, MSOM64-01, Box 4, item 355.)) \\
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====== Matilda (Meta) and Arthur Hobbs' children ======
1. **Edwin Murray Barton (known as Barton/Bartie/Barty) Hobbs**, 8 January 1897 - 20 November 1956. He was born at Strand, Townsville, Queensland and died in Wollongong, NSW.((https://www.geni.com/people/Edwin-Murray-Barton-Hobbs/6000000036226522925)) He was a 'colourful' character who acquired a dubious reputation.\\
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In February 1916, the second year of  World War I, Barty Hobbs was a 19 year-old 'station hand' and enlisted in the 12th (Army) Brigade, Australian Field Artillery, Park Section, A.I.F.  He stated he was 5'8½" and nearly 11 stone. On 29 July 1916, he was on his way to the European front as a driver. He had trouble with army discipline, starting on board ship and continuing throughout the war. His offences included returning nearly 3 weeks late after leave; not turning up for a parade; for having a lighted candle in his hut after lights out; for failing to salute an officer; and being late on duty. He was sent to France in January 1917, and subsequently hospitalised several times. In June 1918, he was invalided home to Australia with peritoneal adhesions (scarring after abdominal surgery), and discharged from the army. \\
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In 1942, he wrote to the army that he had left Australia during 1926-31 during which time his father died. His address was then Raffles Restaurant, Darlinghurst Road, Kings Cross. In 1943, he had moved but still lived in Kings Cross; by 1947 he lived in Melbourne. We know this because he wrote to the army after he lost, in three separate incidents, his discharge papers (twice) and army medal.(([[https://discoveringanzacs.naa.gov.au/browse/records/201566|War memorial record]]))\\ 
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In 1926 he was in the papers due to an insurance claim after his car, he stated, caught on fire. Barty was described as a 'sales man, residing at River Terrace, Ascot [a suburb of Brisbane]. The magistrate allowed his claim.((The Brisbane Courier, 29 Jan 1926, p.10)\\
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There is a clue to where he was when, as he told the army, he lived outside Australia during 1926-31. On 18 March 1929, 'Murray Hobbs' and Isabel Devereux were among those at a 'Dixieland' dance, where 'spirited dance music was supplied by the popular Dixieiand orchestra'.((Press, LXV:19571, 18 March 1929, p.2). In 1929, they married.((New Zealand Marriage registration, 1929/6194)) Family historians indicate that Isabel Devereaux was born in 1910 in Christchurch, New Zealand. They had a son, Anthony Barton Prior Hobbs (1930-79)((https://www.geni.com/people/Anthony-Barton-Prior-Hobbs/6000000036246084979)) - presumably 'Tony' mentioned below.((Marie McCulloch to Mary McCulloch, 11 August 1999, re family research by Phyllis Sowerby, copy with TA & MT M-P)).\\
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It is not clear if Barty was the 'Barton-Hobbs' mentioned in April 1932 as flying to New England.((//The Telegraph//, 9 April 1932, p.11.)) Later that year, 'Mrs Barton Hobbs' and her young son 'Tony' featured in the social pages.((//Sunday Mail//, 25 September 1932, p.18.))  After that, in a limited search, I've found no more traces of Isabel in New Zealand or NSW.\\
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My Heritage has a photo of him: ...[link to?]

Presumably Isabel died, as on 25 November 1938 Barton Hobbs married again, this time to Alice Margery (Marge) Hope Michod, the daughter of a Brisbane doctor. The wedding was reported as having taken place at St Stephen's Presbyterian Church, Macquarie Street Sydney. The couple planned to live in Melbourne.((NSWBDM, marriage registration 18756/1938; //The Courier-Mail//, 30 November 1938, p.2; //The Telegraph//, 3 December 1938, p.15)) Marge was described as a beautiful dress designer, some years younger than Barty, who intended to move her business to Melbourne after her marriage.((//Truth//, 4 December 1938, p. 43.)) \\
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Barty Hobbs was in the newspapers again in 1939, this time involved in a scheme to raise capital for a Western Australian company. The //Sunday Times// (22 Oct 1939, p.5)) advised its readers to look beyond the prospectus when deciding whether to invest. \\
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In 1947, Alice was granted a divorce from Barton Hobbs on the grounds of adultery in November 1938. At the time, he was still living in Kings Cross. The divorce was reported in sensational terms by the tabloid press((Mirror, 22 February 1947, p.16; Truth, 9 February 1947, p.39)). The Mirror did so with the heading //Girl Who 'Game To Tea' Stayed For Breakfast// Alice had hired an enquiry agent to find proof of his adultery and grounds for divorce. The article stated that 'Married in 1938, she left him 'because of his cruelty,'. On June 8, they watched the King's Cross flat, into which Hobbs and a cutie who owned to the name of Beryl Pomeroy had vanished in the twilight hours.' The next morning, 'Alice and her sleuth busted into the flat to find the pair together. "'Am 1 not entitled to have a girl here for tea?' demanded Edwin in stately manner as the bright morning sunlight splashed through the window. He can please himself in future, because the Sydney divorce judge who listened sympathetically to Alice Hobbs' story decided Beryl and Hobbs hadn't been playing solitaire all night. He granted Mrs. Hobbs her decree.' The divorce case was also reported in //The Sydney Morning Herald//.((6 Feb 1947 p.7))
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In 1948, the Union Trustee Company advertised for Barty's whereabouts since he had left his flat on Darlinghurst Road, Kings Cross: this suggests he had lost touch with his family.((//The Bulletin//, 69:3551, 3 March 1948, p.20.))\\
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In 1949, Barty Hobbs was in the headlines again. In one newspaper he was described as the 'former manager' of a migrant hostel at Port Kembla. The newspaper described how he was attacked by a migrant and, as a result, lost his sight in one eye.((Illawarra Mercury, 29 December 1949, p.8)) The headline was "Man Lost Eye As Result Of Alleged Result Of Alleged Attack By Migrant'. Another newspaper detailed the same incident but said that the incident had happened while he was still manager of the hostel and had moved to break up a fight between migrants.((South Coast Times and Wollongong Argus, 17 November 1949, p.11)).

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2. **Alice Dorothea Mary Hobbs**, born on 7 November 1898. In 1921, she married William Hamilton Gibson Robinson.((Queensland marriages, B28841)) It is hoped she was happy, as she had had to live with survivor's guilt from the time she was around 15 years old. In 1913, Alice and friends had been swept out while swimming, and three young men drowned trying to rescue them.((Ruth M-P to Rosa Praed, M-P papers, NLA MS 7801, Box 4?, folder 25.)) Alice and William Robinson's children are on the private version of this website (sidebar for 4th generation). \\
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====== Alienora (Eileen) and Rowan Hickson's children ======
Eileen and Rowan Hickson had five children, all sons. 
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1. Robert (Bob) Rowan Barton Hickson (11 October 1903 - 1994) married Edna Cox and had two sons. He was a Lieutenant Colonel and author of //The Historic Family Tree of Thomas Lodge Murray-Prior//, Sydney: R. Hickson, 1980. A genealogist writing to the Cullen-Ward family considered that it contained a number of errors.\\

2. John Maurice Hamilton Hickson (4 April 1906 - 1993) married September 1929 to Lillian Killen and had 3 sons and 2 daughters.\\

3. Brian Murray-Prior Hickson (11 May 1907 - 7 November 1943). In 1937 he was Manager for Riley Newman & Co. at Warialda.((//Warialda Standard and Northern Districts' Advertiser//, 25 January 1937, p.2.)) He married Margaret Gaden Day and had a daughter and a son. He enlisted during World War II, becoming a corporal in D Company, 18 Platoon, 2/30 Australian Infantry Battalion. He died of ulcers and dysentery at Sonkurai when a Prisoner of War on the infamous Thai-Burma railway. He is buried at Thanbyuzayat Cemetery, Grave A13.A.3, Myanmar (Burma).  {{:brian_hickson_grave.jpg?400|}}((See [[http://www.230battalion.org.au/Gallery/albums/Upload/0706/070625003.jpg]] and [[http://www.230battalion.org.au/Gallery/displayimage.php?pid=4449/]] and Australian Red Cross Society, National Office (2017-05-15). Hickson, B M P (Brian Murray Prior), NX41262.))\\

4. George Harvey Foster Hickson (15 March 1909 - ?) He and his wife had no children.\\

5. Rowan Darvall Hickson (28 November 1911 - 3 May 1931) he did not marry and had no known children.\\
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====== Robert and Estella (Stella) M-P's children ======
Like his sister Eileen Hickson, Robert M-P had five children. They are shown here (with a friend) in the garden of their childhood home at 1 Yerton Avenue, Hunters Hill: (back from left): David; (friend Phyllis Rolfe); Nora with Molly on her lap; front: Sterling, Phyllis: {{:dad_friend_and_siblings_enhance.jpg?400|}}\\
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1. **Nora** Estella (1909((NSW birth registration 14986)) - 1984((SMH death notice, 5 May 1984))) Like her sisters, she went to school at {{https://www.sceggs.nsw.edu.au|SCEGGS}}. She was active in youth groups including the Crusaders and the Brownies, the latter as a member and, when adult, leader. She trained in midwifery at Royal North Shore Hospital, graduating in 1937.((//The Sydney Morning Herald//, 17 December 1937, p.19.)) She worked at the War Memorial Hospital in Cas%%i%%no from September 1938 to March 1940. She later nursed in the south-west town of Young as she is remembered as the midwife for a birth there in 1940.((Don Seton Wilkinson email to J. Godden, 24 June 2019.)) By 1944, she was employed as a nursing Sister by the __ BROKEN-LINK:[[https://www.royalfarwest.org.au/|Royal Far West Society]]LINK-BROKEN__, with her headquarters at Inverell.((Royal Far West Children's Scheme, //Annual Report//, 1944)) The work involved much travelling around the local area. For more, click on [[**nursing with Royal Far West**]].\\
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Nora kept up her connection to Young, as she left the Royal Far West Children's Scheme early in 1949 to marry((Royal Far West Childrens Scheme, //Annual Report//, 1949)) widower Lawrence Ashley Frederick Boyd (known as Ashley). He had a sheep/wheat property, Eldorado, near [[wp>Young,_New_South_Wales|Young, NSW]]. Ashley had two daughters (one adopted) by his first marriage, but had no children with Nora. My (Judith Godden) recollection of her is someone who could be very kind but also very tactless, while her extensive travelling in later life did not change her narrow view of the world.\\
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The next three photos are of Nora((Provenance: J. Godden.)):the 1st with her elder brother E. Sterling M-P; the 2nd probably on the day she qualified as a nurse; the 3rd with her mother (right):\\ {{:nora_sterling_cropped_resized.jpg?200|}}   {{:nora_mp_boyd.jpg?200|}}   {{:nora_and_gran.jpg?200|}}\\

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2. Edgar **Sterling** (16 May 1911 - 22 February 2010((SMH death notice, 25 February 2010.))) \\
He never forgave his parents for their choice of his given names, but chose to be known Sterling as the lesser of two evils. He was born in Prince Edward Parade, Hunters Hill, with his birth witnessed by Hunters' Hills' GP, Dr H. S. Lloyd and 'Nurse Martin'.((NSW Birth certificate for E.S. M-P, no 16518)) He attended [[http://www.sydgram.nsw.edu.au|Sydney Grammar]] until he was around 15, when his father found him work at the Perpetual Trustee Company. He was later to deprecate his schooling as being so hidebound with its stress on unthinking obedience (such as the poems [[wp>Charge_of_the_Light_Brigade|The Charge of the Light Brigade]] and [[wp>Casabianca_(poem)]]). He was, however, good at mathematics with a prize to show for it in 1924 when he was 13 years old. That talent would stand him in good stead not only in his work, but as honorary treasurer of the Bellingen RSL Club in his later life.((the mathematics prize was a book, //The Fifteen Decisive Battles of the World// by Edward Creasy - inevitably, as with other book prizes, it appears largely unread.)) He was a keen sportsman, a member of the Mona Vale Surf Life saving Club and a good amateur boxer. A photo in the Ryde Library of the 1932 Hunters Hill Rugby Union team describes him (middle row, second from left) as its Honorary secretary.\\
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He married Brenda Isabel Pottie (15 July 1914-18 July 2008((SMH death notice, 23 July 2008.)) at St Stephen's Presbyterian Church on 29 November 1938.((The pending wedding was reported with a photo of glowing Brenda and her bridesmaid Molly M-P in the //Sydney Morning Herald//, 29 November 1938, p.4. They were pictured in the rose garden where Brenda lived with her mother, 6 Veret Street, Hunters Hill)) Brenda (known also as Isabel and Isa) had grown up at Waverley, attending the once-progressive school Shirley then, for her final year/s, SCEGGS.((there is a story about this, click on [[busted]] for more)) Brenda's father Herbert (Bert), a vet, had died when she was a toddler. He left his widow Ethel (known by her second name, Brenda) with five young children (Brenda and her four older brothers). Bert's father John Pottie had established the veterinary practice and published two books on the care of horses, then the mainstay of veterinary practices.((http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/pottie-john-4409)) Bert's mother Eliza Pottie was a Quaker, temperance advocate and highly active philanthropist who took a leading role in the fight for women's suffrage.(({{http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/pottie-eliza-13155}})) Brenda's mother did not adjust to the financial implications of her husband's death, and continued with much the same style of living. The younger Brenda left school and became a highly skilled typist in the Tax Office.\\
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{{:mum_and_molly.jpg?200|}}Photo: Brenda M-P on her wedding day with her bridesmaid and sister-in-law Molly M-P.((Provenance: J. Godden from B.I. M-P.)) Brenda's dress was a beautiful 'magnolia satin, hand painted' with delicate gold flowers. //The Daily Telegraph// (30 November 1938, p.12) also reported that she wore 'a diamond and ruby brooch which her mother had worn at her wedding'. The //Telegraph// reported that the wedding reception was at the Forum Club, the honeymoon 'motoring on the South Coast' and that they would make their home at Bellevue Hill. She kept the dress for years as well as a long gold-coloured satin coat which was part of her going-away outfit.\\
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Sterling and Brenda's only son was born 10 months after they married (luckily at this censorious time, he was not premature like their next baby!). Australia entered War II eleven days after their son's birth. Less than a year later, on 11 July 1940, Sterling enlisted.((https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=4640026)) He served as a Gunner in the [[wp>2/9th_Field_Regiment_(Australia)|2/9 Field Regiment]].((http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?ServiceId=A&VeteranId=175805. For a history of the Regiment, see http://digital.slv.vic.gov.au/view/action/singleViewer.do?dvs=1507941719870~632&locale=en_GB&metadata_object_ratio=10&show_metadata=true&VIEWER_URL=/view/action/singleViewer.do?&preferred_usage_type=VIEW_MAIN&DELIVERY_RULE_ID=10&frameId=1&usePid1=true&usePid2=true)) He served in the Middle East for over a year. He saw his wife and son briefly in Sydney on his return from the Middle East, on his way from South Australia to far north Queensland, then not until the war had ended.\\
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Brenda not only had her husband fighting in the war, but all her four brothers (she had no sisters) - 2 in the RAAF, 2 in the AIF.((Sydney Morning Herald,  8 January 1942, p.5.)) Her brother Pilot Officer John Campbell Pottie was Killed in action when his plane crashed over Libya on Brenda's birthday in 1942.[[https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P11027602|War Memorial record]] [[https://aircrewremembered.com/pottie-john.html]] In December that year, another brother, Flight Lieutenant Norman (Norm) Charles Pottie, was in a plane crash which resulted in his leg being amputated and him being repatriated to Australia. He was mentioned in a dispatch for his bravery in putting out the potentially disastrous fire in the plane.[[https://www.454-459squadrons.au/pottienc|Norm's War Memorial Record]] Her brothers in the AIF were both discharged as medically unfit in 1944: Sapper Herbert (Bert) Allen Pottie and Private Alexander (Alex) James Pottie.[[https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ListingReports/ItemsListing.aspx]] Brenda's widowed mother died on 9 January 1944.((SMH, 11 January 1944)) \\
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In 1943 the census showed that Brenda was living at 40 Raglan Street Mosman. At some stage, probably after her mother died, she and her young son moved to the Blue Mountains to live. \\
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Sterling had thrived amidst mates from very different backgrounds and in highly physical work, and returned a very different man. With the war's end, he was discharged from the army on 6 November 1945.((Certificate of Discharge, provenance J. Godden)) He and his wife lived at 40 Raglan Street, Mosman.((census)) Sterling was re-employed at Perpetual, but now found being confined to a desk job difficult. On the advice of his wife's brother, he and Brenda pooled their meagre resources to buy a dairy farm from a relative of Brenda's sister-in-law. The date of the purchase was prophetic: 1 April 1949.((ESM-P,letter to tax office, 1956. Provenance J. Godden.)) The farm was at (R.M.B. 7) Hydes Creek, four miles from [[wp>Bellingen,_New_South_Wales|Bellingen]]. Sterling, Brenda, their son and daughter Helen moved there; a second daughter was born nearly two  years later. The farm was never a viable proposition, despite the efforts of agricultural researchers to find alternative crops, and became less so with the inexorable decline of the North Coast dairy industry. While he thrived on the outdoor life and went from total inexperience to a highly respected farmer, Sterling's big achievement was to wrest a minimal living from infertile land. He only once, in the late 1960s, accepted a desk job to tide the family over a specially bad drought. His wife and son had a particularly challenging time due to their huge decline in living conditions: Hydes Creek had no electricity until 1962; the roads were untarred; and when he entered High School their son had to undertake a long commute to Coffs Harbour High School, involving bike, bus and train. Dairy cows need to be milked twice a day and the family could not afford any help; in later years Sterling made a yearly trip to Sydney to see his widowed mother, but Brenda rarely had a day away from the farm. Even when bitten by a red-back spider, she had to drive herself to Bellingen Hospital while the rest of the family did the milking.\\
{{:hydes_creek_farm_from_far_paddock.jpg?300|}} Photo of the M-P farm published in G. Wilson, F. Cradock, K. Flemons, 'Pasture and Soil Fertility Investigations in the Bellingen District', //The Agricultural Gazette//, May 1961, p.244. The article reported one of the numerous crop trials at the farm. \\
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Later the farm looked completely different - see google maps for 423 Hydes Creek Road. Sterling and Brenda subdivided a small triangle of land near the river at the Bellingen end of the property, intending to retire there. Health issues made them change their mind, but the new owners moved their farmhouse to the sub-division. After Brenda and Sterling left, the reedy creek was dammed, the milking bails converted to other uses and a new house built and many of the sheds demolished. Sadly my last visit (in 2020s) revealed that all the fruit trees had gone: numerous orange, lemon and mandarin trees as well as guava, loquat and persimmon trees which all gave abundant fruit. The peach and plum trees where less successful due to fruit fly, but also contributed fruit. Passionfruit and choko vines added to the farm's bounty. There was even a struggling apple tree doing its best to produce despite the far from ideal climate. A little away from the house were numerous sheds including a semi-ruined one which fronted on to an old orchard and was next to a chook yard with a high wire fence. The chooks were let out each day, returning at night to the yard for a feed where they were shut in for safety at night. When a cousin (Paul Atherton) visited, he always marveled at the eggs' delicious taste and bright yellow yokes. At Christmas time, a hen was selected and, in this era when chicken was a luxury, roasted for Xmas dinner. Brenda usually cooked a lamb roast with potatoes and green vegetables for Sunday dinner. She also made a delicious ice-cream with our flavoursome eggs and milk with its heavy layer of cream. The family demanded this summer and winter - a major undertaking before electricity as the ingredients had to be laboriously hand-beaten. As far as I can recall, she could never recruit us to undertake the task for long. As one of my Uni friends commented in the 1970s, despite the poor farm, we ate very well.\\
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There was a small fenced garden around the house with orange and mandarin trees and the struggling apple, but also roses, hibiscus (native as well as exotic), hydrangeas, and other flowering shrubs. There was a small back verandah where we had concrete tubs, a wringer and other laundry equipment. There were steps down from the back door, with a path that led down between a water tank and an old ruined laundry building used for storage. The path led down to the outside toilet. It was a bucket toilet and it was Sterling's unpleasant task to bury the contents when it was full. The result was little green patches in the paddock behind the house, close to the outdoor 'dunny'. At times, the rafters attracted harmless (but rather scary when sitting underneath) large green python snakes.\\
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Sterling benefited from family legacies and, as well, the local area was being transformed by 'tree-changers' and the Australian Paper Manufacturers (APM, now Amcor). After a health scare, he and Brenda sold the farm in 1975. Since then, with the land apparently used as a hobby farm, the area can look idyllic. For those who grew up on the farm, it is now unrecognisable.\\
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Brenda and Sterling moved to 5 Hawea Close,[[wp>Wamberal,_New_South_Wales|Wamberal]] on the NSW Central Coast. Molly (Sterling's sister) and John Wilson later moved to Wamberal in their retirement as well. Brenda and Sterling enjoyed a comfortable retirement there, creating a beautiful garden and being very active in the local Garden club. They made numerous friends including two widows (Trish and Elaine) living either side of them. In their later years, they benefitted enormously from dedicated nurses and other home-carers supported by the Department of Veteran Affairs. Despite such help, infirmity made their later years very difficult. \\
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Sterling and Brenda M-P celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary.((Provenance: J. Godden.)) {{:sterling_and_brenda_668_.jpg?200|}}\\
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3. **Phyllis** (Phyl) Dorothea (14 December 1913-10 March 2003) was born at home, at //Cooroora// in Hunters Hill.((//The Sydney Morning Herald//, 16 December 1913, p.8.)) 
Phyllis flanked by her siblings Molly and David on steps of their home 1 yerton Avenue, Hunters Hill.((courtesy Fiona Cullen-Ward)){{:fr_left_molly_phyllis_david_on_step_of_1_yerton_ave_going_to_sunday_school.jpg?300|}}\\ Young Phyllis ((courtesy Fiona Cullen-Ward)) {{:phyllis_scan_20241019.jpg?200|}} 
Phyl was artistic and employed as a commercial artist. As the next photo reveals, she was vivacious and outgoing. She married grazier Alan Robert Cullen-Ward (1910-85) on 23 February 1935((BDM Registration: 3529/1935)). Phyl on her wedding day with an unidentified bridesmaid (left) and her sister Molly (right).((courtesy Fiona Cullen-Ward)){{:think_aunt_phyl_wedding_aunt_molly_on_right_enhanced_scan_20250115.jpg?300|}}\\
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Alan and Phyl lived on his property 'Mani' at Cumnock, NSW as well as a house at 70 Wrights Road, Drummoyne in Sydney. The house and land was later sold and a block of flats built on the site . They lived in one of the flats, 7/70 Wrights Road [[wp>Drummoyne,_New_South_Wales|Drummoyne]]. Her final years were spent in a retirement home in Buderim, Queensland. She was cremated at the Northern Suburbs Memorial Gardens and Crematorium, Ryde, Sydney. \\
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Phyl and Alan had five children: a daughter b. 22 January 1936; Malcolm David (27 October 1937-March 2020; he married Sandra (Sandy) and had two daughters); Susan Barbara b. 28 January 1941 (see next generation for details); a son b.30 December 1942; and a daughter b.7 August 1944.  
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4. Evan **David** (1916((Birth registration no. 35738/1916))- March 1981). His brother understood that David went to school at [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tudor_House_School|Tudor House]] as a boarder, then to Sydney Grammar. He also thought David attended Wagga Agricultural College, though that institution did not start until 1949. With his parents' help, David bought a farm at Wyong which was later sold.((Late ESM-P. pers. comm.)) In 1938, David married Hilary Lorraine Piper (31 July 1916- 23 June 2014)((//SMH//, 15 October 1938, p.10)); they divorced in 1965. In his old age, David shared a house with his mother at Hunters Hill until she died. In his final years he was reclusive; in contrast (her daughter recalls) Hilary remained a 'people person'.\\
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David and Hilary M-P had two daughters. Beverley Joan (known as Joan) was [occupation?] and later in life struggled with  deafness; she married --- Black and lived in Hobart. David and Hilary's other daughter became a highly respected midwife at King George V Hospital and, in retirement, an Anglican chaplain at St George Hospital. \\
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One story by his brother Sterling was, that when David was a baby he was shown to his maternal grandmother (Caroline Herring nee Delange) who was grieving the death of her son Edward Edgar (Jack) Herring at Gallipoli on 9 August 1915. He reached out for her (was she wearing some of the shiny jet jewellery which was worn when mourning and passed down the family?) and she was convinced that he was her son reincarnated. She consequently lavished affection and money on him, much to the resentment of his siblings at the time.((ESM-P. pers. comm))\\
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The Museums of History NSW (State Archives) has the following record of David's employment in the NSW Treasury Department from 1949-6: {{:fl9913317.jpg?400|}} {{:fl9912604.jpg?400|}}

Photos of young David((Provenance: J. Godden)): The first images is of a photo-postcard with its light-hearted message on the back ("To Grandmother from Evan David. It is no use looking back & remembering that any of your children were sweeter than this baby, his parents couldn't believe it."){{:postcard_photot_reverse_to_grandma_from_ed.jpg?400|}}{{:spostcard_photo_of_evan_david.jpg?200|}}. 
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5. Sylvia Mary (**Molly**) (1919-2007((Death notice in //Ryde Weekly Times//, 12 December 2007 & Sydney Morning Herald, 5 December 2007.))\\
A photo of young Molly ((courtesy F. & E. Cullen-Ward)):{{:says_molly_on_the_back_scan_20241019_2_.jpg?300|}}\\
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This photo of Molly was taken c.1939, either when World War II was imminent or had just begun.((Provenance: Australian War Memorial))  She is shown in the uniform of the Women's Emergency Signalling Corp, a voluntary organisation which trained women to be signallers and telephonists.((Margaret Kentley, Historical Notes, re ... Women's Emergency Signalling Corps 1939-41, MLDOC 3404)) {{:molly_cropped.jpg?300|}}Molly consequently joined the the WRANs (Women's Royal Air Force) in 1942 as a 'telegraphist'.((https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Gallery151/dist/JGalleryViewer.aspx?B=4530612&S=1&N=2&R=0#/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=4530612&T=P&S=1)) The family understands that Molly did highly secret work intercepting Japanese morse code signals.((J. Gatt, pers. Comm.))\\
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On 23 September 1950, Molly married John Alexander Wilson who owned, with his sister J. Marion Wilson, a property at Norway, via Oberon. They had 1 daughter and 2 sons. Molly and John retired to Wamberal; after John's death Molly moved to a retirement home in Lindfield.\\