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 Andrew and Frances Murray Prior’s elder son **Thomas Murray Prior Esq** of Rathdowney  m. Catherine Palmer. He was born at Rathdowney in 1773, and 'no doubt' baptised there.((‘Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda by the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry.)) He was the 7th generation of the family to own Rathdowney, and the last.((Patrick Prior, email to J Godden 14/9/21)). He appears to have been known as Thomas Prior though (see next paragraph) TLM-P appears to suggest he was known as Thomas Murray.\\ Andrew and Frances Murray Prior’s elder son **Thomas Murray Prior Esq** of Rathdowney  m. Catherine Palmer. He was born at Rathdowney in 1773, and 'no doubt' baptised there.((‘Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda by the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry.)) He was the 7th generation of the family to own Rathdowney, and the last.((Patrick Prior, email to J Godden 14/9/21)). He appears to have been known as Thomas Prior though (see next paragraph) TLM-P appears to suggest he was known as Thomas Murray.\\
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-Thomas M-P was High Sherriff of Queen’s County from 1799, and a Member of the Irish Parliament for Lesburne and {{http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/B/Bannow-Bargy-Wexford.php|Bannow}} (remembering that this is still a time when only the wealthier male landowners voted in parliament and they could control multiple seats). He was buried at [[wp>Newry|Newry]], County Down (now in Northern Ireland) under the name of Murray on 5 November 1854.((‘Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda by the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry.)) His wife Catherine was the elder daughter of Joseph Palmer Esq. of Cuffsborough, Queen’s County; Joseph Palmer commanded a militia corps as a Colonel.((John & John B. Burke, //A Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary of the Landed Gentry of Great Britain & Ireland: M to Z//, London: Henry Colburn Publisher, 1846, p.1076; Bernard Burke, //A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Colonial Gentry//, Melbourne: E.A. Petherick, 1891-95, p.49; Robert M-P, //The Blood Royal of the Murray-Priors//, ms written 1901-05, p.12, NLA; Thomas Bertram M-P, //Some Australasian Families Descended from Royalty//, ms, n.d. p.5, NLA; ‘Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda to the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry.))  +Thomas M-P was High Sherriff of Queen’s County from 1799, and a Member of the Irish Parliament for Lesburne and {{http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/B/Bannow-Bargy-Wexford.php|Bannow}} (remembering that this is still a time when only the wealthier male landowners voted in parliament and they could control multiple seats). His appointment as High Sherriff was the year after the [[wp>Irish_Rebellion_of_1798]]((thanks to Roy M-P for pointing this out)). It is not known what role he played in the brutal suppression of the rebellion.\\ 
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 +Thomas was buried at [[wp>Newry|Newry]], County Down (now in Northern Ireland) under the name of Murray on 5 November 1854.((‘Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda by the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry.)) His wife Catherine was the elder daughter of Joseph Palmer Esq. of Cuffsborough, Queen’s County; Joseph Palmer commanded a militia corps as a Colonel.((John & John B. Burke, //A Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary of the Landed Gentry of Great Britain & Ireland: M to Z//, London: Henry Colburn Publisher, 1846, p.1076; Bernard Burke, //A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Colonial Gentry//, Melbourne: E.A. Petherick, 1891-95, p.49; Robert M-P, //The Blood Royal of the Murray-Priors//, ms written 1901-05, p.12, NLA; Thomas Bertram M-P, //Some Australasian Families Descended from Royalty//, ms, n.d. p.5, NLA; ‘Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda to the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry.))  
  
 Catherine and Thomas married when young, doing so by eloping to [[wp>Gretna_Green|Gretna Green]], the famous town in Scotland for runaways who could marry under the more lenient Scottish marriage law. Presumably to quash gossip, the couple had a later, conventional marriage ceremony in Donnybrook, Dublin.((‘Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda by the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry; Robert M-P, //The Blood Royal of the Murray-Priors//, p.12, NLA; Thomas Bertram M-P, //Some Australasian Families Descended from Royalty//, ms, n.d., p.5, NLA.)) Catherine died in Dublin and was buried there in approximately 1802, when her youngest son (Hervey) was three years old.((‘Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda by the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry.))\\ Catherine and Thomas married when young, doing so by eloping to [[wp>Gretna_Green|Gretna Green]], the famous town in Scotland for runaways who could marry under the more lenient Scottish marriage law. Presumably to quash gossip, the couple had a later, conventional marriage ceremony in Donnybrook, Dublin.((‘Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda by the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry; Robert M-P, //The Blood Royal of the Murray-Priors//, p.12, NLA; Thomas Bertram M-P, //Some Australasian Families Descended from Royalty//, ms, n.d., p.5, NLA.)) Catherine died in Dublin and was buried there in approximately 1802, when her youngest son (Hervey) was three years old.((‘Questions to be answered by T.L.M-P’, 6pp Memoranda by the Herald Office, Somerset House, London re Burke’s Colonial Gentry.))\\
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 Thomas Bertram M-P records that Thomas had four other children before his liaison with Mary Ann Thompson. He gives no information about the children's mother/s, just that one line of descent was 'John and Annie Murray-Prior and their children Bertram and Coralie, of New South Wales.' and that he had 'No space for more details.' ((Thomas Bertram M-P, Some Australasian Families Descended from Royalty, ms, n.d., p.24, NLA.)) Certainly space would be needed to summarise the career of John: a colourful one to say the least! click on [[John Murray Prior/Bertram Murray]] for more.\\ Thomas Bertram M-P records that Thomas had four other children before his liaison with Mary Ann Thompson. He gives no information about the children's mother/s, just that one line of descent was 'John and Annie Murray-Prior and their children Bertram and Coralie, of New South Wales.' and that he had 'No space for more details.' ((Thomas Bertram M-P, Some Australasian Families Descended from Royalty, ms, n.d., p.24, NLA.)) Certainly space would be needed to summarise the career of John: a colourful one to say the least! click on [[John Murray Prior/Bertram Murray]] for more.\\
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 **Sources**: The common source for information about Thomas M-P appears to be John & John B. Burke, A Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary of the Landed Gentry of Great Britain & Ireland: M to Z, London: Henry Colburn Publisher, 1846, p.1076. Robert and Thomas Bertram M-P supplemented their information with family knowledge/gossip. See also TLM-P's //Imperial Family Bible//; Maximilian Genealogy Master Database 2000. **Sources**: The common source for information about Thomas M-P appears to be John & John B. Burke, A Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary of the Landed Gentry of Great Britain & Ireland: M to Z, London: Henry Colburn Publisher, 1846, p.1076. Robert and Thomas Bertram M-P supplemented their information with family knowledge/gossip. See also TLM-P's //Imperial Family Bible//; Maximilian Genealogy Master Database 2000.
  
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